George MacKay: ‘I find the development of… | Little White Lies

Interviews

George MacK­ay: I find the devel­op­ment of moral­i­ty fascinating’

21 Jan 2022

Words by Katie Goh

Man in a black suit and tie, standing against a red and blue background.
Man in a black suit and tie, standing against a red and blue background.
One of the UK’s most promis­ing young actors reveals how con­tem­po­rary pol­i­tics influ­enced his role in Munich: The Edge of War.

George MacK­ay wants to be a small cog in a big wheel. It’s a strange con­fes­sion to hear from an ear­ly-career actor in an indus­try that awards showy look-at-me per­for­mances, but it also makes per­fect sense when you cast an eye over the 29-year-old’s fil­mog­ra­phy. Qui­et­ly bank­ing impres­sive, and often under­stat­ed, per­for­mances (most­ly recent­ly, as a young, trau­ma­tised sol­dier sprint­ing across 1917s wartime trench­es and as Justin Kurzel’s swag­ger­ing reimag­in­ing of Ned Kel­ly), MacK­ay is an actor who wants to serve the story.

What is the sto­ry explor­ing or offer­ing to peo­ple, and can I help that in any way? If the answer is yeah, then I want to be a part of it, I want to try and make that hap­pen,” he says in a plush Lon­don hotel room on a busy press day for Munich: The Edge of War, a film that con­tin­ues MacKay’s run of sub­tle, yet com­pelling­ly piv­otal, performances.

Adapt­ed by play­wright Ben Pow­er from Robert Har­ris’ nov­el, Munich: The Edge of War is set on the eve of World War Two as Britain and Germany’s head of states – Neville Cham­ber­lain and Adolf Hitler – meet to dis­cuss find­ing a res­o­lu­tion to the pro­posed Ger­man inva­sion of Czecho­slo­va­kia (spoil­er: it does not go well). Amid the real his­tor­i­cal con­text, Pow­er places two fic­tion­al char­ac­ters: the nervy, Eng­lish civ­il ser­vant Hugh Legat (played by MacK­ay) and an impas­sioned Ger­man nation­al­ist-turned-rad­i­cal Paul Hart­mann (Jan­nis Niewöh­n­er). Hugh and Paul are old uni­ver­si­ty mates who find their friend­ship, and youth­ful opti­mism, caught in a sea of polit­i­cal espi­onage as the two become pawns in a plot to stop der Führer.

I read Ben Power’s script dur­ing the sum­mer before last, when there was so much that, glob­al­ly, social­ly and polit­i­cal­ly, we were reeval­u­at­ing,” remem­bers Mack­ay. There was change that was right­ful­ly being called for and, per­son­al­ly, a sense of fig­ur­ing out how to par­tic­i­pate in it. What is the best way to be a part of this moment that we’re in? Is it activism? Is it per­son­al day-to-day change? Or, is it sym­bol­ic change? Or, leg­isla­tive? And which one informs the other?”

Man in dark suit against red abstract background.

These ques­tions are explored in the film as Hugh and Paul rep­re­sent two approach­es to social change: Hugh, who wants to take a leg­isla­tive approach ver­sus Paul, who believes in empow­ered action. It’s dif­fi­cult to know what to do with the present, but the thing about his­to­ry is that, although the inter­pre­ta­tion can be shift­ed some­what, the events are sta­t­ic,” says MacK­ay. There­fore, you can unpick ideas in a way that you can’t with some­thing that is hap­pen­ing right now. Hugh’s in a place of insight, but not nec­es­sar­i­ly of pow­er. And what you do with that, because I think we’re all in a place of insight, in our day-to-day expe­ri­ences. Or do you just need to, excuse my lan­guage, fuck­ing get up and do something.”

Munich: The Edge of War was shot dur­ing the 2020 Biden-Trump elec­tion and the par­al­lels between MacKay’s con­text and Hugh’s con­text took on new urgency. The char­ac­ters in the sto­ry are like us in the way we sit and talk in cof­fee shops about the ongo­ings of Putin and Trump. Obvi­ous­ly, in hind­sight, we know where events went but, for the char­ac­ters, there’s big­otry and some hard­line poli­cies and a fer­vour that’s being cre­at­ed by politi­cians like Hitler, but they don’t know where that’s going. It felt per­ti­nent to this present moment, the recent past and that we’re cur­rent­ly in, because, look­ing at Trump, what would have hap­pened if he got in for anoth­er four years? At what point do you step in, if some­thing hasn’t hap­pened yet and if you can’t effi­cient­ly legit­imise your actions pure­ly on just a feeling?”

These press­ing polit­i­cal themes give Munich: The Edge of War its mod­ern sen­si­bil­i­ty, some­thing that is expressed in MacKay’s per­for­mance of ide­al­is­tic, if mis­guid­ed, youth­ful ener­gy. The actor went down an inter­net rab­bit war­ren of essays, doc­u­men­taries and mood boards to tap into the polit­i­cal zeit­geist of pre-war Eng­land, con­struct­ing a fic­tion­al char­ac­ter from cher­ry-picked social ideas of the time. But the most impor­tant influ­ences for Hugh are sur­pris­ing­ly mod­ern. I sent our cos­tume design­er a mood board for Hugh and Paul, and it was com­plete­ly irrel­e­vant to the peri­od,” explains MacK­ay. Paul McCart­ney and John Lennon, Nick Cave and Row­land S. Howard, Andre 3000 and Big Boi. These dou­ble acts who Hugh and Paul might have com­pared them­selves to in the ear­ly 1930s, rene­gade pairs who rub each oth­er up and find sport and beau­ty in confrontation.”

MacK­ay talks quick­ly, often trip­ping over his words with the same sort of hap­py enthu­si­asm as his char­ac­ter Hugh dur­ing the flash­backs to his uni­ver­si­ty days, which were MacKay’s favourite scenes to shoot. There was such a vibe and ener­gy [to those scenes]. The sound depart­ment allowed us to speak over each oth­er and they were always cross shoot­ing, so that if you got it in a moment – like I inter­rupt­ed you and you inter­rupt­ed me – it was caught. There was a focus on cre­at­ing youth­ful vibran­cy, because these ideas are impor­tant for these char­ac­ters. Like, let’s talk about it! Let’s do some­thing!” MacK­ay beams and starts rolling his hands through the air. Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go!”

When asked if there’s a com­mon thread between his recent per­for­mances (for exam­ple, many of them are char­ac­ters with intense bur­dens of moral respon­si­bil­i­ty, to their coun­try, friends or them­selves), MacK­ay becomes more qui­et­ly reflec­tive. A huge part of grow­ing up is about dis­till­ing and shap­ing your views of the world and that’s a con­stant­ly mov­ing thing,” he says. I think there’s a moral spine to all of us, but that’s informed and changed and chal­lenged all the time and I find the devel­op­ment of that fas­ci­nat­ing. And get­ting to explore extreme ver­sions of [moral­i­ty] through char­ac­ters, I find real­ly impor­tant because it helps inform my own which is still devel­op­ing. I don’t know if I’m always active­ly look­ing for it, but I’m drawn to peo­ple whose moral­i­ty is being tested.”

You might like

Accessibility Settings

Text

Applies the Open Dyslexic font, designed to improve readability for individuals with dyslexia.

Applies a more readable font throughout the website, improving readability.

Underlines links throughout the website, making them easier to distinguish.

Adjusts the font size for improved readability.

Visuals

Reduces animations and disables autoplaying videos across the website, reducing distractions and improving focus.

Reduces the colour saturation throughout the website to create a more soothing visual experience.

Increases the contrast of elements on the website, making text and interface elements easier to distinguish.