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Paul Green­grass: I want­ed to make The Searchers in reverse’

07 Feb 2021

Words by Charles Bramesco

Smiling man with long blonde hair and round glasses against a yellow background.
Smiling man with long blonde hair and round glasses against a yellow background.
The writer/​director on chan­nelling John Ford for his first for­ay into the Amer­i­can fron­tier, News of the World.

Paul Green­grass leaves his metic­u­lous recre­ations of real-world tragedies behind for the west­ern para­ble News of the World, in which a trav­el­ing news­man (Tom Han­ks) fer­ries an orphaned girl (Hele­na Zen­gel) to safe­ty through the treach­er­ous wilds of Texas. The writer/​director sees their fron­tier odyssey as a call for uni­ty and rec­on­cil­i­a­tion in a frac­tured world that sore­ly needs it.

LWLies: Were there chal­lenges to the major phys­i­cal set pieces, such as the cat­tle dri­ve or the dust storm?

Green­grass: It was pret­ty easy, to be hon­est. We had fan­tas­tic wran­glers who knew how to do every­thing. I was in awe of their exper­tise. I’ve nev­er made a west­ern before, so there were obvi­ous chal­lenges: hors­es, wag­ons, peri­od firearms, extreme heat and cold, lots of climb­ing and rop­ing equip­ment up cliffs, the occa­sion­al rat­tlesnake. Lots to work through that you may not face on a con­tem­po­rary-set film, but every pro­duc­tion has its own dif­fi­cult parts. The best thing you can do is sur­round your­self with ded­i­cat­ed experts.

This is your first west­ern. Did you approach this any dif­fer­ent­ly than you have your docu­d­ra­mas or larg­er-scaled action pictures?

I start every film by think­ing through the sto­ry as a per­son­al choice, as some­thing you care a lot about. So, this one emerged from the after­math of 22 July, my last film, which was also rather per­son­al for me. It was a deeply per­son­al med­i­ta­tion on a grow­ing crit­i­cal prob­lem: the rise of vio­lent right-wing extrem­ism, which has only got­ten worse in your coun­try and mine. The sto­ry of a family’s attempt to come to terms with it was a sto­ry of healing.

But after 22 July, I was look­ing to do a dif­fer­ent sort of film, slow down a bit. News of the World came along, and when I read the sto­ry of this wan­der­ing, lone­ly news­read­er with a satchel full of papers, it felt to me like he’s a sto­ry­teller because he wants to heal by con­nect­ing peo­ple. He brings peo­ple togeth­er with the heal­ing pow­er of sto­ries. He meets with this young girl, and he reluc­tant­ly decides he has to take her to her home, and it’s a jour­ney for the both of them to find some­where to belong. That’s the road out of divi­sion. In the film, it’s after the Civ­il War, but it also applies to today.

Three men, one with a camera, discussing outdoors on a sunny day.

This film is def­i­nite­ly in the clas­si­cal John Ford mode of the west­ern, not all that revi­sion­ist. How did you get in that cre­ative mindset?

I’d worked on a series called Five Came Back, a doc­u­men­tary series about Hol­ly­wood film­mak­ers dur­ing World War Two. They got con­tem­po­rary direc­tors for each episode, and I took John Ford. I spent a won­der­ful month rewatch­ing every one of his movies, study­ing his tech­nique close­ly, and look­ing back now, I see that it was inspired coin­ci­dence that News of the World came to me when it did. It’s clear­ly informed by The Searchers, oth­er west­erns about lost chil­dren and jour­neys through dan­ger­ous regions. But this felt like The Searchers in reverse, not the mis­sion to find the girl but to bring her home. It was an oppor­tu­ni­ty to re-explore that ter­ri­to­ry in a more con­tem­po­rary way.

Hele­na Zen­gel gives an extra­or­di­nary per­for­mance in the film. What were your impres­sions of her?

When mak­ing a movie, you always have a faint sense of what your big obsta­cle is going to be, the thing to fix among a mil­lion oth­ers. I was sure our great chal­lenge was going to be find­ing Johan­na. The part’s every bit as vital as Tom Han­ks’ part, lots of prop­er act­ing. You can put chil­dren in var­i­ous sit­u­a­tions and their tal­ents will be put to the test, and in Johanna’s case, she need­ed to be able to con­vey the truth of what she’d been through. That’s a tall order for a child. She needs range, the abil­i­ty to turn on a dime. We need­ed an 11-year-old girl with seri­ous depth, and that’s a lot to ask. I thought we’d have to see hun­dreds of girls over a course of months, I was all ready for an ago­nis­ing process.

We’d only just begun look­ing when our pro­duc­er Gail Mutrux asked if we’d seen this Ger­man movie Sys­tem Crash­er, which won a prize at Berlin. She sends me a copy, and it’s just superb. She’s so bril­liant, and I thought, What are the chances of there being two 11-year-old girls in Ger­many that good?’ This is a long-wind­ed way of say­ing that once she was cast, her per­for­mance became the thing I had to wor­ry least about. She was fan­tas­ti­cal­ly well-pre­pared. Fear­less, real­ly, and on a film set full of strangers in a place she hadn’t been before. Oppo­site Tom Han­ks, no trou­ble what­so­ev­er. After a cou­ple takes, Tom sat down and said to me, She’s unbe­liev­able.’ I nev­er had any con­cern about her from then on.

In the States, we like to see the west­ern as a unique­ly Amer­i­can tra­di­tion. What’s your per­spec­tive on the genre, com­ing at it as a Brit?

I am a Brit, but I grew up with west­erns as a boy. I was raised on Ford. I just nev­er thought I’d get to make one, and when I saw the oppor­tu­ni­ty was avail­able to me, I grabbed on with both hands. You’re right that the west­ern is built on Amer­i­can arche­types, but because of that there’s a myth­ic qual­i­ty in the genre. It’s inti­mate and intense, mount­ed in an enor­mous, inhos­pitable envi­ron­ment of grandeur. The ques­tions of who we are and who we want to be, rel­e­vant to The Searchers and to this, are also rel­e­vant to me. I want­ed to bring out the con­tem­po­rary, with­in Amer­i­ca and beyond. It’s the sto­ry of the wan­der­ing news­read­er in the shad­ow of the Civ­il War, but we’re also deal­ing with a bit­ter­ly divid­ed world today. We’ve all still got that need for healing.

News of the World is avail­able on Net­flix from 10 February.

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