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Alexan­der Payne: Peo­ple should speak only when they have some­thing to say’

26 Jan 2012

Words by Adam Woodward

Two men in conversation on a deserted street, with a hotel visible in the background. Muted yellow tones and geometric shapes dominate the illustration.
Two men in conversation on a deserted street, with a hotel visible in the background. Muted yellow tones and geometric shapes dominate the illustration.
The Amer­i­can direc­tor of The Descen­dants talks about find­ing par­adise in his own backyard.

A clean copy of Kaui Hart Hem­mings’ debut nov­el, The Descen­dants’, adorns a plain beech­wood cof­fee table that’s bisect­ing LWLies and Alexan­der Payne. Cut­ting short for­mal­i­ties, Payne leans in, folds back the cov­er, skips a spread, and scores a line with a pur­pose­ful finger.

Chap­ter one, page one: I think par­adise can go fuck itself.’ That line made me want to do this film,” Payne says, let­ting the book fan shut. In Payne’s adap­ta­tion, that line is grum­bled by George Clooney’s pro­tag­o­nist in an open­ing voiceover that’s over­laid with post­card shots of Hawaii – white beach­es, tall surf, swoon­ing palms. It’s a caus­tic sen­ti­ment that’s indica­tive of Hem­mings’ tone, one that res­onat­ed with Payne and his long-term writ­ing part­ner Jim Tay­lor, the moment they first read the book.

That was back in 2007, three years after Payne achieved indie immor­tal­i­ty with his fourth fea­ture, Side­ways. Con­sid­er­ing the suc­cess of that film, it’s fair to ask where Payne has been all this time. Grant­ed he admits that find­ing source mate­r­i­al that’s ripe for adap­ta­tion is a blue moon occur­rence”, but sev­en years away from the game feels like an ill-con­sid­ered break. And not one he can read­i­ly explain. I got into this game to direct fea­tures and I was sur­prised, as appar­ent­ly some of my view­ers are, that it’s been sev­en years between releases.”

So what’s Payne been up to since Side­ways? Well, he direct­ed a seg­ment in Paris, je t’aime in 2006; a TV pilot the fol­low­ing year; has tak­en three pro­duc­ing cred­its and doc­tored a cou­ple of scripts while devel­op­ing a few of his own. Not a break exact­ly, then, but hard­ly the soap­box his vibrant artis­tic tim­bre mer­its. The sil­ver lin­ing is that while Payne will accept a quick pay cheque to give Juras­sic Park III teeth, or fresh­en up I Now Pro­nounce You Chuck & Lar­ry if it means help­ing to fund his next ven­ture, he regards his fea­ture films as the cor­ner­stone of his cre­ative integri­ty. Indeed, the brunt of that down­time was spent writ­ing an epic sci-fi movie that on a tech­ni­cal lev­el will have a much big­ger bud­get, spe­cial effects, that kind of crap.” Sign us up. But hang on, Payne doesn’t sell out, right? So what’s the deal? It’s the same sen­si­bil­i­ty as my pre­vi­ous work, just on a much big­ger can­vas. It’s a tricky one to get financed, but I’m not about to com­pro­mise on it. I will nev­er direct for The Man,” he declares triumphantly.

As we talk, Payne is scrib­bling furi­ous­ly into a small notepad, the kind cops use at the scene of a crime. He’s log­ging details of our con­ver­sa­tion – names of films, dates, peo­ple and places that come up both on top­ic and in tan­gents. Busy hair and dev­il-may-care mox­ie aside, Payne has a mea­sured, eru­dite air. Per­haps it’s not the case, then, that he’s had trou­ble get­ting green-lit since Side­ways. Per­haps he’s had a game plan all along. Thing is,” he says, I think peo­ple should speak only when they have some­thing to say. I love the act of mak­ing a film, but I don’t want to make a film out of noth­ing or about noth­ing. And screen­play ideas, at least for me, have been very pre­cious and not super com­mon. I don’t have a stack of things I’m dying to make. I wan­na make a whole bunch of films, but all in good time.”

The Descen­dants looks set to be the fourth Payne film in a row to make mon­ey, not much by Hol­ly­wood stan­dards, but a prof­it all the same. Despite this sol­id track record and the fact he’s nev­er gone over bud­get or over sched­ule, does Payne ever feel under pres­sure to per­form? Of course, but you can’t ever let the fear sti­fle you. My oblig­a­tion to the stu­dio is to be hon­est and to tell them, at all times, what I think a cool movie would be. My job is to see things that your research stud­ies and your finan­cial mod­els can­not see. So far I’m not doing too bad. I guess I have X‑ray vision.”

One thing that’s allowed Payne to main­tain his virtue is the fact that he doesn’t belong to any Hol­ly­wood clique. He could do, were he that way inclined, but his fond­ness for his native state, Nebras­ka, and his home­town, Oma­ha, ensures that LA will nev­er win out. More of my time is my own in Oma­ha because the mechan­ics of urban liv­ing don’t take as long; to go gro­cery shop­ping, see friends, stum­ble home drunk from a par­ty. I have time to think and to noo­dle. And also Oma­ha is just blos­som­ing cul­tur­al­ly and becom­ing its own form of a cos­mopoli­tan place. It’s very excit­ing not just to wit­ness that but to be a part of it, also.”

While Side­ways and The Descen­dants have tak­en Payne to sun­nier climes, he’s still char­ac­terised as a Mid­west film­mak­er’, despite not hav­ing shot there in 10 years. Yet he’s look­ing to return to the great fron­tier plains of his ear­li­er films for his next, the some­what lit­er­al­ly titled Nebras­ka. Rumour has it that Payne is active­ly try­ing to tempt Gene Hack­man out of retire­ment to play the lead role in what he describes as a father/​son road trip movie.”

Sounds like a strong enough incen­tive to pick up where 2002’s About Schmidt left off and go local. Still, Payne’s not ready to set­tle long-term just yet. The style of your film is often deter­mined by the coun­try you para­chute into, and it just hap­pens that the world I live in is a fer­tile and diverse one. But I’m curi­ous to see how mak­ing a film in, say, Europe would turn out. I’ve always said that I want to keep on see­ing the world through film, which I guess is why I’ve tend­ed to be quite nomadic. Film can be a won­der­ful mag­ic car­pet, but right now it’s time for me to go back home.”

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