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Romain Gavras: I see this film as almost the anti-Scarface’

25 Apr 2019

Words by David Jenkins

Bearded man in colourful clothing on a blue background with swirling graphic elements.
Bearded man in colourful clothing on a blue background with swirling graphic elements.
The French film­mak­er and some­time MIA col­lab­o­ra­tor chats about his gang­ster epic The World Is Yours.

French film­mak­er Romain Gavras is best known for his var­i­ous col­lab­o­ra­tions with MIA, direct­ing some of her most well-known pro­mos, and also mak­ing a fea­ture film – 2010’s Our Day Will Come – that was inspired by the con­tro­ver­sial video he made for her track Born Free’, in which gin­ger-haired boys are hunt­ed for sport.

Fol­low­ing near­ly eight years away from the fea­ture film game, he returns with the com­ic-hued gang­ster film The World is Yours, about a low-rent French-Ara­bic hood and his desire to do what it takes to become the exclu­sive North African dis­trib­u­tor of Mis­ter Freeze ice pops. His great­est cham­pi­on – and also his great­est hin­drance – is his moth­er, played by French grande dame Isabelle Adjani, whose overzeal­ous assists are down to her desire to make sure her son suc­ceeds. We met Gavras in Paris to dis­cuss work­ing with cin­e­mat­ic roy­al­ty, and also how you bring com­e­dy to the time-worn gang­ster epic.

LWLies: Can you tell us how you got Isabelle Adjani on board, as she hasn’t made a film in quite some time?

I love mys­te­ri­ous peo­ple. Adjani dips in and out of the film world. She’s there one moment, and then she dis­ap­pears. I absolute­ly adore her. But I didn’t know her before mak­ing The World Is Yours, so at the begin­ning she didn’t say yes straight away. She asked, Why me and not some­one else?’ And it’s weird because usu­al­ly I’m quite artic­u­late as a direc­tor, when it comes to jus­ti­fy­ing this type of thing, but I just couldn’t bull­shit her. At that point, I didn’t have the answer to that ques­tion. For three weeks I was talk­ing to her and she kept say­ing, go back and do your home­work and tell me why me and not some­one else’. And I was like, Isabelle, I don’t know what to tell you except I’m fucked if it’s not you because I don’t know who else. And that’s a gen­uine answer.’

Once she said yes it was amaz­ing because, you know, you hear a lot of stuff about huge icons being dif­fi­cult to work with, and it seems bull­shit to say this, but she was an extreme plea­sure. Real­ly invest­ed from the moment we start­ed – you know how some of your crew, like your DoP, become your lieu­tenant on set, well she was like a that to me. Com­plete­ly on it. We built the char­ac­ter from going out shop­ping at Ver­sace and Guc­ci. We bought lots of head scarves and talked about the char­ac­ter, and I told her a lot about my own moth­er. She has an insane poten­tial – it’s in there some­where. When you see her she’s clever, fun­ny and pre­cise – and then when she turns it on it’s very interesting.

What was it like to direct her?

I hadn’t done a film in eight years and lots of the stuff I had done was more visu­al, so work­ing with actors was the bit I was… not scared, but I knew it would be the biggest per­son­al chal­lenge because the tone is very spe­cif­ic. I had to find the music for the film, so we did a lot of rehears­ing with the actors and I was writ­ing a lot of side scenes. With her and Karim (Lek­lou) and Sofi­an (Khammes), we did a lot of rehears­ing and she would bring stuff to the table. Some­times she would go over the top and it would be amaz­ing. But it was real­ly col­lab­o­ra­tive – when we arrived on set, we knew what the voice was. And that was good because some­times we would cre­ate sur­pris­es, or some­times I would change stuff last minute, but every­one was in tune with their characters.

The lush visu­al style of this film draws on your work in music pro­mos, but also mocks it a little.

Yeah a bit, but the film is quite light and has this sense of not fun-mak­ing but being endeared by a lot of stuff. If you like Daft Punk, you make a Daft Punk album. If you make a folk album, it would be fuck­ing weird. So for me it was not so much, I’m going to make a film that doesn’t look at all like a music video’, it was that I want­ed to embrace it and some­times play with it and make fun of it and go over the top with it.

It’s a hard film to describe. You want to call it a crime or gang­ster film, but that doesn’t quite cov­er it.

No, it’s a hard one. You know like when you have those sites where you have to put com­e­dy or gang­ster – it is kind of all those things. And for me it’s the films that I like the most, like some Ital­ian neo­re­al­ism, or some of David O Russell’s movies, where you don’t know where the fuck you are, but you still enjoy it like you would some can­dy. So yeah it is a hard one to describe.

The title ref­er­ences a line from Bri­an de Palma’s film Scar­face, which has become icon­ic in cer­tain cul­tur­al cir­cles. What is your rela­tion­ship with that film?

I think it’s a great film that peo­ple maybe didn’t under­stand. Tony Mon­tana dies at the end and he kind of wants to fuck his sis­ter, he is not a role mod­el and has nev­er been to me. And so here it was inter­est­ing to play out almost the anti-Scar­face. Tony Mon­tana wants the world, but our guy just wants a lit­tle house with a lit­tle swim­ming pool. He is kind of like the anti gang­ster. So it was inter­est­ing to play on that, but it’s almost like the ref­er­ence stopped there and it’s just I’m very bad at com­ing up with titles and so at some point this title came along real­ly well, it felt good. Scar­face is a good movie, but it has been misunderstood.

Did you speak to Vin­cent Cas­sel about La Haine, because there’s a whole thing in La Haine where they see a big bill­board that says The World is Ours’?

Yeah, yeah. And there are also many French songs that use the same catch­phrase. And the idea of the char­ac­ter of Vin­cent was it was almost like his char­ac­ter from those days if he spent all of the 2000s in jail – he hasn’t seen inter­net and comes out into the world after tak­ing too many pills in prison and then dis­cov­er­ing the every­thing. That was the idea.

The film is cen­tred around a moth­er-son rela­tion­ship which is strange for a gang­ster film.

Yeah this is why it’s there, because we had all those dif­fer­ent sto­ries and I want­ed to make a film in that world, but then I had the real­i­sa­tion that I need to make a film about my mum and cov­er it in a gang­ster movie. And I can say that because I know she wont see this, but in the french inter­views I would nev­er say it. But there are scenes in the film where it is lit­er­al­ly my moth­er speak­ing. She is not a gang­ster, she’s a film pro­duc­er, she pro­duces my dad’s films (Cos­ta-Gavras), but for such a small per­son, she is very, very tough.

So will you make a film about your dad secret­ly then?

Maybe one day but. It’s fun­ny because my dad is obvi­ous­ly a very well known direc­tor, but my moth­er is the one who has the most pow­er. He wouldn’t be my dad with­out my mum. She is real­ly something.

The World Is Yours is released 26 April. Read the LWLies review.

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