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Pedro Almodóvar: Chem­istry is a mystery’

18 Sep 2023

Words by Anna Bogutskaya

Older man in cowboy hat holding a gun
Older man in cowboy hat holding a gun
The Span­ish film­mak­er reflects on the romance at the heart of his new queer west­ern, Strange Way of Life, and the free­dom of work­ing in a short­er format.

In 32 min­utes, Pedro Almodóvar’s Strange Way of Life packs in more ten­der­ness, eroti­cism and cinephile ref­er­ences than most fea­ture films man­age across a cou­ple of hours. In his sec­ond for­ay into Eng­lish lan­guage film­mak­ing after 2020’s The Human Voice, the inter­na­tion­al auteur takes on the most Amer­i­can and most macho of gen­res: the west­ern. Bal­anc­ing the con­trast­ing sex appeals of Pedro Pas­cal and Ethan Hawke, Almodóvar imag­ines a lover’s reunion, lubri­cat­ed by wine and mem­o­ries of a youth­ful lust.

LWLies: What is your rela­tion­ship to the western?

Almodóvar: The west­ern is not a genre I dis­cov­ered as a child. I remem­ber chil­dren play­ing cow­boys and Indi­ans but I was nev­er part of this. Once I arrived in Madrid, in my twen­ties, I became pas­sion­ate about the genre. There are gen­res that I nev­er dis­cov­ered in my first youth – like film noir, thrillers, and the west­ern – but I effu­sive­ly embraced in my adult­hood. So, the truth is that I’ve nev­er thought about mak­ing a west­ern, although the west­ern is present in at least two of my films: John­ny Gui­tar (1954) in Women on the Verge of a Ner­vous Break­down (1988), in the Lie to me and tell me you’ve been wait­ing for me’ scene, which I think is one of the most beau­ti­ful pieces of dia­logue ever writ­ten; and in Mata­dor (1985), the final scene of Duel in the Sun (1946) appears as a pre­mo­ni­tion to the main char­ac­ters in my film. John­ny Gui­tar is also an excep­tion in the genre as it’s a woman’s west­ern, where Joan Craw­ford and Mer­cedes McCam­bridge wear the pants and the guns. The west­ern is essen­tial­ly a mas­cu­line and an Amer­i­can genre. It’s Amer­i­ca invent­ing itself through cinema.

I lied, there was one oth­er time when I thought about mak­ing a west­ern. It was in the ear­ly nineties, I got the rights to Tom Spanbauer’s nov­el The Man Who Fell in Love with the Moon’, which fea­tures gay cow­boys and Indi­ans. I did a first draft in Span­ish but I need­ed an Amer­i­can writer to work with me, and that’s when I hit a wall. Every­one I spoke with said they wouldn’t dare touch a sto­ry like that. I hadn’t thought about mak­ing a west­ern since, until three years ago, when I wrote the scene that became the foun­da­tion of this film, which is the long con­ver­sa­tion between the two old lovers after their orgias­tic reunion. I think they’re more naked in that scene than if I had filmed the orgy itself.

The cow­boy, like you men­tioned, is the quin­tes­sen­tial cin­e­mat­ic emblem of mas­culin­i­ty. What did you want to add to its mythos?

Nat­u­ral­ly, it’s a mas­cu­line genre. Women are sec­ondary char­ac­ters. But there’s nev­er been a con­ver­sa­tion about desire between men. It’s a taboo akin to the one that exists right now with foot­ballers. There are no gay foot­ballers. Same as there’s no gay bull­fight­ers. You know, in Spain, it’s even for­bid­den to insin­u­ate that such a thing exists. It was most attrac­tive to me that they were old lovers remem­ber­ing their youth, and how they react to a night of excess, sex and alco­hol, where one of them is deny­ing what hap­pened between them whilst the oth­er reminds him of it inces­sant­ly. I’m not only talk­ing about desire, but about naked­ness. Their real naked­ness is in that morn­ing after dia­logue. They’re both ambigu­ous, because they both have ulte­ri­or motives. Sil­va is try­ing to advo­cate for his son, who he knows has mur­dered the sheriff’s sister-in-law.

I want­ed them to be two old lovers who still want each oth­er, which becomes clear dur­ing din­ner, but that one of them still has that desire and wants to give it a name while the oth­er rejects it, although he delays his work until they’ve spent that night. It’s a very mas­cu­line thing, with­in gay rela­tion­ships, this yes but no’. Yes, tonight we can be togeth­er, but tomor­row I have to leave and go find a mur­der­er who’s also your son.

You’ve men­tioned this excess when they encounter each oth­er again. The food, the alco­hol. When we see Sil­va and Jake in flash­back, their first kiss is drown­ing them­selves in wine. What’s the role of excess in their relationship?

Excess is the excuse to unleash their desires. I remem­ber my youth, many times drugs and alco­hol would open up sex­u­al expe­ri­ences that you wouldn’t have oth­er­wise had. When­ev­er Sher­iff Jake talks about the past, he says, It was crazy,” while Sil­va instead recalls those moments every time he drinks. It’s two very dif­fer­ent posi­tions on sex­u­al­i­ty. It’s also an old-fash­ioned idea, that in the chaos of drugs and alco­hol, a man can indulge desires that in more sober cir­cum­stances, he wouldn’t allow him­self. It’s sort of hyp­o­crit­i­cal but…

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