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Kim Longinot­to: I’m bewil­dered by the way we don’t talk about things’

05 Mar 2015

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The acclaimed British doc­u­men­tar­i­an on Dream­catch­er and why we all need to start stand­ing up to child abuse.

Kim Longinotto’s films pro­vide vibrant por­traits of female abuse sur­vivors across the globe. She has doc­u­ment­ed life after female gen­i­tal muti­la­tion in Kenya (The Day I Will Nev­er For­get) and the path from vio­lent incar­cer­a­tion to lib­er­a­tion and poet­ry (Salma). She has shown woman in the judi­cial sys­tem in Iran (Divorce Iran­ian style), in Cameroon (Sis­ters in Law) and chron­i­cled activism on the streets of India (Pink Saris).

Dream­catch­er is the result of Longinot­to embed­ding in the out­reach work of Bren­da Myers-Pow­ell, a charis­mat­ic for­mer sex work­er based in Chica­go. Bren­da patrols the areas fre­quent­ed by pros­ti­tutes, often just to offer a sym­pa­thet­ic ear. The addi­tion of a cam­era finds in their sto­ries the trends of abuse that lead these women to the streets. This all sounds bleak yet the film uplifts by show­ing the good that peo­ple can do by lis­ten­ing to each other’s sto­ries. In per­son, Longinot­to pos­sess­es that same seem­ing para­dox. By squar­ing up to abuse and rape, she beats a humane path forward.

LWLies: There are cer­tain things hap­pen­ing in the world that peo­ple like to pre­tend aren’t happening.

Longinot­to: I’m real­ly bewil­dered by the way we don’t talk about things. We pre­tend that we can’t talk in front of chil­dren because it’s going to upset them but it’s hap­pen­ing to chil­dren. Child abuse is a big thing in Dream­catch­er. Why aren’t peo­ple going into schools when kids are six and say­ing, If any­thing hap­pens to you tell a teacher,’ while there’s still time to change things. Nobody does and you read that it’s been going on for gen­er­a­tions and in all these children’s homes and the chil­dren have nobody to turn to.

How did the school­girls that you filmed come to trust the camera?

I showed them some scenes from a film I did called Sis­ters in Law. It’s got a scene where a 12-year-old girl stands up to her rapist. They didn’t say very much but I said, We’ll be doing this film togeth­er, it’s your film. I’m com­plete­ly depen­dent on you and what­ev­er you want to do is fine. I’m not going to boss any­one around. You can boss me. I’m here for you.’ The next time we went in, which is the first time that we filmed them, it all came out. Bren­da said, I would nev­er have expect­ed this’ because she’d been with them for two years and it had nev­er come out. It had hap­pened from the age of eight. Robin says, I was much old­er’ and you think, 19?’ and she says 14’. It’s hap­pened to them all. We only put three or four in the fin­ished film but every sin­gle girl in that class had been raped or abused in her home, usu­al­ly by friends of peo­ple they knew.
When we were leav­ing, two of the girls came out of the class­room and hugged me. I was real­ly cry­ing because I find it all so emo­tion­al. They said, We did it for you.’ I knew what they meant. I didn’t think they’d done it for me per­son­al­ly. What they were so excit­ed about was that all their lives nobody had lis­tened to them or nobody had heard them and here at last was an oppor­tu­ni­ty to have their voic­es heard. It was so bril­liant that they trust­ed us to tell their sto­ries and that peo­ple are going to see the film. It’s like a secret that needs to come out.

Do you have to be care­ful to nav­i­gate the legal sit­u­a­tion if you’ve got peo­ple on cam­era talk­ing about being raped by friends of fam­i­ly members?

I just think, Bring it on. We’re ready for you. Come to court. It should have come to court a long time ago. You want to bring it to court? Fan­tas­tic.’ I would love them to bring it. Of course, they won’t. You can see the girls are telling the truth. And actu­al­ly most of the par­ents involved had sim­i­lar expe­ri­ences. One of the girls says, My mum was upset because what had hap­pened to her was being recy­cled. We don’t have their sur­names so if their par­ents want to keep anony­mous they can. We meet Sharita’s moth­er, the one who let it hap­pen to her. We told her what the film was about and she’s in the film. The time of pre­tence and that kind of think­ing is gone. We’re in the 21st cen­tu­ry. We’ve real­ly got to move ahead now. I’m amazed that it’s still going on. I think things are going to change now. It needs peo­ple like you to write about it.

What does it mean to bring social atten­tion to an issue? Have there been pos­i­tive steps as a result of putting your pre­vi­ous films out there?

Yes, in every one. The lit­tle girl, Fouzia, who is the main char­ac­ter in The Day I Will Nev­er For­get who calls her moth­er to account for cir­cum­cis­ing her, she saved it from hap­pen­ing to her lit­tle sis­ter. She got me to film the whole thing. She’s now in the States study­ing to be a doc­tor. It changed her life because she was heard.

She wrote a poem against her par­ents and had nev­er dared read it to them. The actu­al poem she wrote ends, I’m ask­ing you, my lov­ing par­ents, is this what I real­ly deserve?’ then, when I was film­ing her, she changed it to I’m ask­ing you, my lov­ing par­ents, is this what I real­ly deserve? I’m ask­ing all of you,’ and she’s look­ing into the cam­era, Is this is what I real­ly deserve?” I said Fouzia that end­ing was fan­tas­tic. She said, Yes. It was for the audi­ence’. She was eight. Peo­ple are con­stant­ly under­es­ti­mat­ing young peo­ple. They think, Oooh, she’s under 12, she doesn’t know what she’s doing.’ She knew total­ly what she was doing and she’s doing talks now in Amer­i­ca and show­ing the film at the uni­ver­si­ty she’s at in New York. The film real­ly gave her a plat­form and empow­ered her and she empow­ered the film. It was a two-way thing.

We’re going to screen Dream­catch­er and the peo­ple in it will see… They’ll be big on the screen and they’ll be heroes and they’ll be sur­vivors and it’ll change their lives. I know it will because it hap­pens every time. They won’t think of them­selves as vic­tims any more, if they ever have done. There must be moments when they have done and they will feel proud of them­selves, which they should do. I would turn all of these ques­tions around. I would say, Why don’t we film sur­vivors? Why don’t we film peo­ple that are stand­ing up against all these things? Why do we keep it all in the shad­ows so it can keep going on? It’s not out in the open and so peo­ple are made to think that it’s their fault. Bren­da says — it’s one of my favourite bits in the film — It’s not your fault.” We need to drum that into peo­ple from the age of three.

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