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Iain Soft­ley: I had this idea in my mind, What would the sto­ry be if these weren’t The Beatles?”’

12 Jun 2024

Words by Michael Leader

Three young men in dark leather jackets and sunglasses, sitting on a vintage car, each holding a guitar.
Three young men in dark leather jackets and sunglasses, sitting on a vintage car, each holding a guitar.
As Sam Mendes gears up to make his behe­moth Bea­t­les biopic, the direc­tor of 1994 ear­ly-Bea­t­les dra­ma Back­beat reflects on the sto­ry of Stu­art Sut­cliffe – the Bea­t­le who wasn’t.

Back in 1994, Back­beat told a Bea­t­les sto­ry with a dif­fer­ence, focus­ing on the band’s ear­ly days gig­ging in Ham­burg dive bars, and hom­ing in on their pre-fame bassist, Stu­art Sut­cliffe (Stephen Dorff), his romance with Ger­man pho­tog­ra­ph­er Astrid Kirch­herr (Sheryl Lee), and his strained friend­ship with band­leader John Lennon (Ian Hart).

Adding a twist and shout to the tra­di­tion­al music biopic, the film plays as a vivid­ly drawn bil­dungsro­man, with five work­ing-class Liv­er­pudlians let loose in a city where rau­cous rock and roll clashed with a sophis­ti­cat­ed Euro­pean art scene. At the heart of it all was Stu­art, torn between the two, and for­ev­er enshrined in a state of youth­ful promise and poten­tial due to his trag­ic death in 1962, mere months before his for­mer band­mates released their first sin­gle, Love Me Do’.

Now, on the cusp of a spe­cial 30th-anniver­sary screen­ing, writer and direc­tor Iain Soft­ley (Hack­ers, The Skele­ton Key) reflects on mak­ing his fea­ture debut, wrestling with char­ac­ters both icon­ic and unher­ald­ed, and the part Back­beat played in a clas­sic Brit­pop anthem.

LWLies: Take us right back to the begin­ning. Where did Back­beat start for you?

Soft­ley: I was look­ing for a film to make when I was at Grana­da Tele­vi­sion. I just saw a pho­to­graph of these two peo­ple: Stu­art Sut­cliffe and Astrid Kirch­herr. Maybe I was vague­ly aware of them, but not real­ly. This would have been in the mid-’80s, but it looked so con­tem­po­rary, so mod­ern. These peo­ple looked ahead of their time. And I want­ed to find out more about them. And I was sur­prised, the fur­ther I looked, that nobody had real­ly done this before.

I didn’t have a direct­ing cred­it, I didn’t have any­thing. I just knew I want­ed to make this film. So I start­ed out look­ing through the phone book and went through all the Sut­cliffes, know­ing that Stuart’s mum then was liv­ing in Sevenoaks. She gave me the num­ber that Astrid Kirch­herr had when she got mar­ried to some­body after Stu­art sad­ly died. And I caught up with this guy and he was like, Well, I haven’t been mar­ried to Astrid for ages, but I think she works in this bar in Ham­burg, near the Alster riv­er.” So I called some bars… and she was the man­ager­ess. I could tell that she’d had peo­ple con­tact­ing her, just want­i­ng a quote, or want­i­ng some sala­cious gos­sip about The Bea­t­les, and not real­ly inter­est­ed in her sto­ry. And she said, I don’t want to talk too much now, but if you’re ever in Ham­burg, look me up…” So I went to Ham­burg the next week. I phoned her and said, I’m here.”

We chat­ted and got on real­ly well. And she said, Why don’t you come over and we’ll talk at a greater length?” And I went over the next evening, and Klaus Voor­mann was there. And they just talked and talked and talked, all night. Even­tu­al­ly, when we got close to being on the verge of mak­ing the film, I stayed with Klaus, and Astrid was stay­ing with him at the time, so I spent about six days just doing inter­views with Astrid, and Klaus would occa­sion­al­ly sort of drop in real­ly as a favour to Astrid. And those tran­scripts were one of the cor­ner­stones of me writ­ing the script.

Where did The Bea­t­les sit in the cul­ture at the time? Were you a fan?

I think they weren’t that promi­nent in the cul­ture, gen­er­al­ly. And they weren’t that promi­nent with me either. I grew up in Lon­don, and I can remem­ber when I was very young, ear­ly pri­ma­ry school years when The Bea­t­les first emerged and it kind of affect­ed every­thing and every­body. And then our dad got us Sgt. Pepper’s Lone­ly Hearts Club Band’ because he read a good review of it in some news­pa­per, so it was okay to have it in the house. And they kind of became a lit­tle bit con­ven­tion­al. I was mov­ing on in terms of my music tastes.

But then I was work­ing at Grana­da Tele­vi­sion when John Lennon was shot. And every­body was called on to work on the doc­u­men­tary, pulling stuff togeth­er. And I spent the whole day look­ing through the Grana­da Tele­vi­sion Bea­t­les archive. I had this idea that there were edgi­er char­ac­ters there. And, of course, in Ham­burg, they were just this work­ing-class band, who got into scrapes and grew up very, very quickly.

But I want­ed that to be the back­drop to my sto­ry, which is one of the rea­sons it’s called Back­beat. It’s the back­beat of the sto­ry that orig­i­nal­ly got me inter­est­ed, this kind of love tri­an­gle in a way between Astrid, John and Stu­art. I was sort of almost see­ing in my mind, what would the sto­ry be if these weren’t The Bea­t­les? It’s a sto­ry about young peo­ple, and par­tic­u­lar­ly three young peo­ple who are work­ing out what to do with their lives on an emo­tion­al, per­son­al and cre­ative level.

Back­beat drama­tis­es this piv­otal moment in pop his­to­ry, but also this almost ever­green theme when it comes to British pop cul­ture, a push and pull between Amer­i­ca and Europe. In this case, between rock and roll and Astrid’s world of Edith Piaf, Arthur Rim­baud and Jean Cocteau…

What hap­pened in Ham­burg is that those two things came togeth­er, and they incor­po­rat­ed them and that’s what made The Bea­t­les dis­tinct and impor­tant, along with their tal­ent of course as amaz­ing song­writ­ers. But it was that open­ness to ideas and that open­ness to art.

When that post-war gen­er­a­tion emerged, there was oppor­tu­ni­ty, because the slate had been wiped clean. It was a new world. I think of the wel­fare state, not just in terms of health, but in terms of edu­ca­tion. The edu­ca­tion that these work­ing-class guys had was amaz­ing, they were real­ly well read, real­ly knowl­edge­able about cul­ture. They were into Amer­i­can music from the begin­ning, from the sea­men bring­ing R&B and black music to Liv­er­pool. But also through film: James Dean, Rebel With­out a Cause, that whole idea. They were get­ting access to the Beat Gen­er­a­tion through books and through films. And so it was an incred­i­bly stim­u­lat­ing time. I don’t think it was an acci­dent, there was this explo­sion of inter­est in cul­ture, coun­ter­cul­ture, and creativity.

But at the cen­tre of it was this choice that Stu­art had to make between his best friend and being in a rock and roll band, which he loved, and this com­plete­ly new envi­ron­ment, in a for­eign coun­try, with a girl that he loved, and what was his over­rid­ing pas­sion: paint­ing. And he chose the lat­ter, and we could say that if he’d stayed he would have been famous and every­thing. But I think the point of the film is that he made the right choice because it’s what he want­ed to do.

Two people with serious expressions, one with short dark hair and the other with longer curled hair, in a moody, dimly lit image.

What was your approach to the cast­ing? On the one hand, you have some of the most recog­nis­able fig­ures in 20th-cen­tu­ry his­to­ry, on the oth­er, you have Stu­art and Astrid, our pro­tag­o­nists, who we don’t know.

My start­ing point for the cast­ing was I didn’t want looka­likes. I didn’t want a Madame Tus­sauds ver­sion. I liked this idea that we could almost at times for­get that the char­ac­ters were The Beatles.

At the time, Stephen Dorff wasn’t that well known, but he was bet­ter known than any­body else in the cast, oth­er than maybe Sheryl Lee, who obvi­ous­ly was well known because of Twin Peaks. The fact that they were kind of like movie stars was, I think, a nice inver­sion. And so we have the less­er-known Ian Hart as John Lennon, one of the most impor­tant cul­tur­al idols of the last 100 years, who is look­ing up to them both.

Peo­ple who knew John at that time said that there was an anger in him when he was younger, which he worked out as he got old­er. He was very short-sight­ed, he was quite self-con­scious about that. And he was a lit­tle bit inse­cure, par­tic­u­lar­ly in the face of the sophis­ti­cat­ed Euro­peans. So there’s that edge there. And Ian was just per­fect. When I met Ian, I thought, he’s just got that ener­gy and that edge, and he could play the vul­ner­a­bil­i­ty, which John has in our film.

There’s an unex­pect­ed twist with the music, too, with an Amer­i­can super­group of punk and alt-rock musi­cians per­form­ing the songs The Bea­t­les would have cov­ered on stage in Hamburg.

First of all, I said that I didn’t want it to sound like The Bea­t­les. Astrid and Klaus said, if you heard them today, you would think they were a con­tem­po­rary band. It was like half-punk, half-dance music, half-rave. And so, we didn’t want peo­ple try­ing to copy The Bea­t­les. We just want­ed peo­ple with that atti­tude. And I think it was Bob Last, our music super­vi­sor, who said the way to do that is to get a pro­duc­er that these great peo­ple would want to play with. So we approached Don Was, and also asked him to do the score, which was a big appeal for him. And he approached Dave Grohl, who was in Nir­vana at the time, and Mike Mills from REM, Thurston Moore from Son­ic Youth, and we also had Greg Dul­li from Afghan Whigs and Hen­ry Rollins, too.

That sound­track still holds up now, but with the ben­e­fit of hind­sight, it’s sur­pris­ing to hear such an Amer­i­can flavour in the music, with the rise of Brit­pop just around the corner.

Well, we shot in 1993. We opened Sun­dance in Jan­u­ary 1994. And by the end of 1994, I was mak­ing Hack­ers. And I knew I want­ed a dance music sound­track for that. We had Mas­sive Attack, Left­field, Under­world, The Prodi­gy. Nobody had put that in a movie before. I think Trainspot­ting was made about nine months after us. And it was the reverse, because the record com­pa­nies want­ed a grunge sound­track on Hack­ers. But that was an Amer­i­can film, Amer­i­can sto­ry, with a British sound­track. So we got it because it was just what was right for the film. And so it was real­ly the same approach for Back­beat. It was who was right. And at that time, the bands that were sound­ing like that sort of gui­tar music were the Amer­i­can grunge bands.

Going back to Brit­pop, I’ve always won­dered if that line Back­beat, the word is on the street…” from Won­der­wall’ was a ref­er­ence to this film. Do you know if Noël Gal­lagher saw the film?

He did. He loved Ian Hart in it. I met Noël a few times, and the first time I actu­al­ly talked to him, I said, I direct­ed Back­beat, is that line, you know…?” And he said, Yeah, it’s a ref­er­ence to your film!” Look­ing back now, he might have just said that because he thought that it was what I want­ed to hear, and it cer­tain­ly was what I want­ed to hear. I won’t hold him to it, but he def­i­nite­ly said it to me!

Were you wor­ried about what the real-life peo­ple behind your char­ac­ters would think of the film?

The impor­tant thing for me was that Astrid was very appre­hen­sive, and we want­ed to get her approval. So she came over to Lon­don and I showed it to her at a screen­ing, just me and her. I sat next to her dur­ing the screen­ing, and kind of wished I hadn’t. I was feel­ing every sin­gle response that she had. And at the end of the film, she stayed right to the end of the cred­its, and she didn’t say any­thing. So we’re both look­ing at this black screen, and I’m think­ing, Oh my God…” And then she turned to me, and she had tears in her eyes, and she hugged me.

Back­beat screens in Lon­don at Pic­ture­house Cen­tral on 14 June 2024, fol­lowed by a post-screen­ing Q&A with Iain Soft­ley and fur­ther guests TBC.

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